Health Care Providers & the CARES Act
Table of Contents
- Hello and thank you for joining us for today's webinar health care providers...
- To get to the hardest cash to get so we're gonna start with temporary relief...
- Billion dollars is going to be released in tranches as we mentioned earlier...
- Objective by expanding the type of codes medicare providers and suppliers can...
- Not-for-profit entities veterans organizations and tribal concerns but...
- Charitable organizations do not qualify which is odd because they are eligible...
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hello and thank you for joining us for
today's webinar health care providers
and the cares Act and now I'll hand it
over to one of your co presenters today
national industry partner Danielle
Sullivan thank you for joining us today
i'm danielle solomon BK DS national
industry partner and i'm excited to be
with you today we're all overwhelmed by
the volume of daily information yet
likely frustrated or confused by the
lack of clarity and guidance that's
currently available we're also trying to
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keep ourselves and our family safe our
goal today is to try to do our best to
highlight some of the most relevant
provisions for our healthcare providers
and also provided some recent updates
that we're hearing from item from
washington and items for you to watch
wanker is a managing director in our
national office and he will be
delivering the majority of the content
however i would be remissed not to
acknowledge many of my fellow bkt
trusted advisors who did a great job of
understanding and recert inserting
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aspects of the cares Act for this
presentation and I'd like to thank each
of them for their dedication and passion
for this industry now before I jump into
the agenda I also want to take this
opportunity to thank all of you for all
your tremendous efforts the
organization's have taken to prepare or
react to this pandemic as I talk to
leaders across the country they all
comment on the amazing and selfless acts
of their team I've always thought that
individuals that chose to work in health
care truly are special and caring and
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now without a doubt everyone is seeing
this firsthand so as I mentioned the
main focus today will be on the cares
Act and what we believe is relevant to
the vast majority of our health care
providers but we also wanted to provide
an overview of legislation that has
occurred to date will then move into
some of the temporary relief that has
already been defined and clarity exist
before we move into other aspects of the
cares Act around first the accelerated
advance payment
100 billion of public health and social
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service emergency funding we'd also be
remiss if we didn't discuss a little bit
about FEMA as it's a relief option
available as well despite it was a
mechanism already in place before they
cares Act NICs will go through a
high-level discussion around the interim
final rule that was released March 30th
and it was really aimed at changing
policy and processes to remove barriers
around telehealth and other cares Act
provisions now again I said this will be
a high-level discussion because as more
information comes out there will be
additional thought ware and webinars on
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that
for example tomorrow there's a webinar
that goes deeper into the application
for community health centers and we'll
be doing a joint webinar with HF MA on
April 27th that takes a deeper dive into
the center and final rule the last item
we chose to discuss was the SBA loans in
the applicability as it stands today but
also have some dialogue on current
discussions that we're hearing we'll
leave some time at the end for questions
but we'll also send out a summary of FA
cused all attendees so let's start with
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our first polling question to see who we
have with us here today great thanks for
your replies it's always helpful to know
so we can tailor our comments all right
well thanks Danielle and hello everyone
so my name is Wayne Kerr and I'll be as
Daniel mentioned taking us through a
majority of the rest of this content I
do want to mention that Danielle will be
back to answer some questions share some
final thoughts and RAK wrap things up at
the end of this webinar so let's start
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with what we're trying to do in this
webinar today Danielle mentioned this a
little bit you know the corona virus
pandemic and the laws that have been
passed to address it have affected every
part of our economy it can be confusing
because there is so much information out
there so what we're gonna try to do
today is cut through some of that noise
and focus on the information that is
most relevant to health care providers
let's briefly recap the Cova 19 relief
packages that we've seen so far the date
there have been three bills passed by
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Congress that addressed Cova 19 and its
impact on the US
public individuals and businesses the
first bill was signed by the President
on March 6 and provides approximately
eight billion dollars for domestic and
global prevention and preparedness to
various agencies including the Centers
for Disease Control the public health
and social services emergency fund and
the National Institutes of Health the
funds allocated under this bill are
primarily focused on supporting the
development and acquisition of vaccines
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and medical equipment and supplies
needed to combat the corona virus this
bill also relaxed the rules related to
telemedicine which we'll discuss later
in this webinar
the second bill was the family's first
coronavirus response act this became law
on March 18th and is much broader in
scope and includes various funding
provisions including increased F map
funding to state Medicaid programs
expanded Nutrition Assistance Programs
employer tax credits expanded
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coronavirus emergency and sick leave for
certain workers and expanded
unemployment insurance assistance for
the states that kicks us to the third
bill which is the carers act and is the
main focus of the rest of this
presentation it was signed by the
president on March 26 now as you know
the situation remains fluid an
additional relief is being discussed as
we speak you can kind of breakdown the
carers act around these three categories
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of relief which we're going to talk
about on the rest of this presentation
being loans to businesses direct aid and
tax provisions now we're going to come
to a flowchart that I know violates like
every rule of what you're supposed to
put on a PowerPoint presentation but I
think you'll find it to be a helpful
decision tree for organizing and
navigating the potential options for as
you look across the top here temporary
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cash flow relief that's the far left
column in the form of deferred payments
or accelerated cash receipts potentially
forgivable cash flow relief meaning
potential
forgiveness that's the middle column and
on the and then on the far right column
permanent cash flow relief through
grants and other mechanisms for context
here and I'd almost you know this but as
noted in the White House press briefing
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we just had earlier this week the impact
on the health care system goes far
beyond the frontline health care workers
health care organizations across the
nation are having increased expenses
from Hamid is having to spend more on
supplies such as PPE putting tents out
in their parking lots for testing and
screening and retrofitting ICU beds just
as examples at the same time many
organizations are not perform an
elective services and our move into more
telehealth all of which represents a
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substantial lost revenue so the
combination of increasing costs and
falling revenue means the government
needed to find ways to inject some
much-needed cash into the health care
system and that's what these categories
of relief are all about so far we're
seeing many of our clients take
advantage of the option to defer the
employer portion of FICA through
December 31st over the next two years if
you if you look on this decision tree
that's the second box from the top left
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we also see a lot of applications for
accelerated payments for Medicare which
is the next box down which we're going
to talk a little bit more about in this
webinar as well the middle section of
this diagram focuses on entities with
500 or fewer employees and that are not
governmental entities now this relief
won't work for many of you the way it's
currently written but there are still
discussions around this and so more
information and changes maybe kind so
this is something to watch the far right
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column has the big box with the hundred
billion dollars for public health and
social services emergency funding which
we'll discuss a little later in this
presentation
this is an area where currently we know
a lot more about what it is then how
it's actually going to work and as with
so many of the other provisions were
discussed
today we'll keep you updated as new
information comes out all right we're
going to cover these relief options
roughly in the order of the easiest cash
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to get to the hardest cash to get so
we're gonna start with temporary relief
along with some of the relief provisions
we've mentioned additional relief comes
in the form of payment changes and
delays these include a temporary lift of
the Medicare sequester and if we think
about that that effectively adds 2% for
Medicare services provided through
December 31st 2020 this is estimated to
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total around 15 billion dollars also
delayed ish reductions until December
1st 2020 which were estimated at about
four billion dollars in Medicaid funding
for disproportionate share hospitals
which serve a large number of low-income
and uninsured patients and increases in
Medicare reimbursement ANCOVA 19
diagnosis related groups by 20% this
additional reimbursement on the
inpatient stay for kovat 19 patients is
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based on the estimated additional cost
of care okay
well dive into the next source of relief
after our next polling question in
Culina polling question number two does
your organization need assistance with
the accelerated and advanced payment
program we've already completed the
application we need assistance not sure
or not applicable
please take fifteen to twenty seconds to
submit your response looks like we have
several who have already completed the
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application many as well that are not
sure so Wayne probably a good time to
get them up to speed thanks Rachel
right now the accelerated advance
payments program appears to be the most
widely used program it's easy to apply
and the eligibility process is pretty
straightforward so far over 35 billion
has been issued based on about twenty
five thousand requests
more than 17,000 requests were approved
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just last week for context prior to
Kovan 19 about 100 total requests were
approved in the last five years mostly
after natural disaster so things have
really changed as you know the
accelerated and advance payments are
intended as emergency funding to address
cash flow issues for Medicare providers
and suppliers particularly during times
of national emergencies or disasters the
CMS has expanded this program to a
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broader group of Medicare Part A and
Part B providers and suppliers for the
duration of this public health emergency
so who can participate in the
accelerated and advanced payments
program most Medicare Part A and Part B
providers and suppliers can't
participate to qualify a provider or
supplier must have billed Medicare for
claims within 180 days immediately prior
to the date of the request not be in
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bankruptcy not be under active medical
review or program integrity
investigation and not have any
outstanding delinquent Medicare
overpayments most providers can request
up to 100 percent of Medicare payment
for a three-month period while inpatient
acute care hospitals children's
hospitals and certain cancer hospitals
can ask for up to one hundred of the
payment amount for a six-month period
critical access hospitals can request up
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to a hundred and twenty-five percent of
their payment amount for a six-month
period so how does this work well each
provider will have to submit an
application that can be found the
websites of their applicable Medicare
administrative contractor and then each
Medicare administrative contractor will
attempt to review and issue payments
within seven calendar days of receiving
the request repayment will begin 120
days after the date the payment is
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issued inpatient acute care hospitals
children's hospitals certain cancer
hospitals and critical access hospitals
have up to one year from the date of the
accelerated payment was made to repay to
balance all other providers and
suppliers will have 210 days from the
date of the payment is made to repay the
balance and repayment will occur through
offset of claims payments until the full
amount of accelerated or advance payment
is complete okay a couple of things to
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keep in mind about what we just said
first these payments are not subject to
interest unless there is still an amount
owed after the recoupment period and the
provider does not pay the balance second
there continues to be some discussion in
Congress about providing additional
relief from the tight hundred and twenty
day repayment window and the high
interest rate if that kicks in and third
you'll need to really have good cash
flow projection and management during
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the recoupment period remember your
organization won't receive any Medicare
payments until the full amount of the
accelerated or advance payment has been
repaid all right transitioning to the
Health and Social Services emergency
funding this is the section that
represents that permanent cash flow
relief we referenced in the decision
tree I mentioned earlier that details of
exactly how this program will work are
still being sorted out just this last
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Tuesday night CMS announced that they
will be distributing thirty billion
dollars in funds to providers based on
Medicare revenue they went on to say
that there will be a second round of
funding where priority will be given to
children's hospitals pediatricians
nursing homes and other providers that
typically receive much of their funding
from other sources so we're starting to
learn a little bit here but there is
still a lot of uncertainty at this point
and this is an area we'll need to
continue to keep watching but let's go
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through what we do know about this
program the 100 billion dollar fund is
to remain available until it's expended
to prevent prepare for and respond to
the coronavirus amounts are to be paid
to
quote eligible healthcare providers to
reimburse healthcare related expenses or
lost revenue that are attributable to
the coronavirus eligible healthcare
providers include public entities
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Medicare or Medicaid enrolled suppliers
and providers and any other for-profit
and not-for-profit entities that the
Secretary of Health and Human Services
specifies funds will be distributed
through grants or other mechanisms and
we're still waiting for specific
guidance on this although we know that
there are options that are being kicked
around and discussed so starting with
the first circle on this slide funds
cannot be used to reimburse expenses or
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losses from other sources or that other
sources are obligated to reimburse until
the secretary provides guidance it's
gonna be difficult to provide specific
information about what types of costs
and revenues will be considered for
reimbursement so you should consider
establishing a control environment over
accounting for Cova 19 related expenses
and foregone revenue speaking just
briefly about foregone revenue you might
use techniques like volume changes over
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the prior year by elective procedure
budgeted elective procedures or any
other detailed information related to
your specific operations expenses should
also be tracked to detail so consider
for example the federal procurement
rules when determining the Cova 19
expenses incurred and we're gonna touch
on those federal procurement rules a
little later on when we go through the
theme of stuff when premiums are paid
due to high demands such as you know
personal protective equipment maintain
documentation of competitive pricing
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information or document the limitations
associated with PPE acquisition some of
the procurement rules may be relaxed
during the health crisis period but as
you know poor documentation is a common
reason for denied payments from granting
agencies consider that the secretary
could distribute funds based on non
detailed information to them such as bed
size or provider type or some other
criteria
all right back to the slide going to
this middle circle recipients of
payments from the fund will be required
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to submit reports and maintain
documentation as the secretary
determines are necessary to maintain
compliance the secretary has not
provided guidance on the process to
apply for payments under the Act and
will review applications and make
payments on a rolling basis now I want
to point out before we leave the slide
that what we just went through is the
statute as it's written but hospitals
have been pleading for a simpler
approach and it eats like this hundred
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billion dollars is going to be released
in tranches as we mentioned earlier
there's just a lot of pressure on the
secretary to simplify the methods of
distribution all right now to some of
the details applications must include a
statement justifying need and a valid
tax ID number funds are available for
building or construction of temporary
structures leasing of properties medical
supplies and equipment increased
workforce and trainings emergency
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operation centers retrofitting
facilities and surge capacity lost
revenues has not been defined by the
secretary
but consideration of lost revenues could
come as a result of delaying and
cancelling non-emergency procedures
decrease in operating revenues and
margins and losses tied to providing fee
testing or screening as part of kovat 19
response efforts payment could be in the
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form of prepayment prospective payment
or retrospective payment and payments
should be made in the most efficient
through the most efficient payment
systems this last slide here just has
some additional details about
administration of this program the
Office of Inspector General of the
Department of Health and Human Services
will submit a final report not later
than three years after final payments
are made to the committee's on
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Appropriations of the House of
in the Senate the inspector general or
the Comptroller General could conduct
audits of interim payments at earlier
dates not later than 60 days after the
enactment the secretary will provide a
report to committees on Appropriations
of the House of Representatives in the
Senate on obligations of funds
summarized by state of the payment
receipt and every 60 days thereafter
until funds are expended all right
hopefully that made a little sense out
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of that big 100 billion dollar bucket
and in terms of what we know and what we
don't
so let's transition quickly to a
discussion of FEMA eligibility now as we
mentioned as Danielle mentioned right at
the beginning this isn't part of the
cares Act
it's a funding relief option that's
already been in place but since it's a
relevant relief option we want to be
sure and mention something to keep in
mind here is that FEMA is a funder of
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last resort so they won't duplicate
funding provided by other agencies of
sources we aren't going to go into a lot
of details here but let's hit some key
points on the next few slides start with
who is eligible state territorial tribal
and local government entities are
eligible and certain private nonprofit
organizations which includes those that
own and/or operate medical care
facilities now private for-profit
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entities including for-profit hospitals
are not eligible for assistance directly
from FEMA but keep in mind that state
territorial tribal and local government
entities may contract with for-profit
hospitals to carry out quote eligible
emergency protective measures in these
cases FEMA will reimburse the eligible
applicant for the cost of the eligible
work and the applicant will then pay the
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private for-profit entity for the
provision of services as we just noted
FEMA is not open to for-profit
facilities and the thought is that the
here's act with a funding associated
with the carers Act an additional
legislation will address the needs of
those entities however FEMA is getting a
lot of pressure right now about this and
there is advocacy on this issue from the
Hospital Association's so this is
another topic that we're gonna continue
to watch very closely the cost covered
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under these emergency protective
measures have to be directly related to
the emergency so cost covered include
triage and medically necessary tests
diagnosis and prescription costs
emergency medical treatment and
transport use or lease of necessary
specialized medical equipment purchase
of PPE DME and consumable medical
supplies medical waste disposal related
to eligible emergency care evacuations
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and sheltering and force account labor
now when it comes to the cost not
covered those include right at the
beginning here lost revenue but you
should you should continue to track this
as it may be covered by other funding
sources for example title 5 of the cares
Act or business interruption insurance
also not covered non-essential employee
costs which include comp time overtime
fringe benefits and meals and straight
time or normal time now FEMA also
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doesn't cover business related costs
that are typically indirect financial or
bottom-line costs like emergency
financial assistance managing liquidity
issues or debt servicing so we get a lot
of questions around labor costs and
what's eligible and the short answer
unfortunately is it depends for example
generally FEMA does not cover regular
time however there are exceptions
including temporary workers contract
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workers and staff working outside their
normal job titles a word on procurement
under FEMA grants this this slide is
here as sort of a heads-up
because normally private nonprofit
hospitals might not have to worry too
much about federal procurement
requirements but under FEMA they may
have to comply with 2 CFR part 200 which
is the federal procurement regulations
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so looking at the slide here state
entities should procure under their
existing procurement rules non-state
entities will need to ensure their
procurements comply with various
sections of 2 CFR part 200 particularly
those related to non-competitive
procurement these federal procurement
regulations may be unfamiliar to
non-state entities as you know failure
to follow federal contracting and
procurement requirements puts non-state
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entities at risk of not receiving
reimbursement or not being able to use
FEMA grant funds that are otherwise
eligible costs okay we could go into a
lot more detail about federal
procurement regulations as fascinating
as those are but let's take a minute to
talk about tracking those actual costs
first of all eligible costs are
retroactive to January 20th 2020 you
should enter into mutual aid agreements
if you are providing services outside of
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your immediate jurisdiction to cover
loan staff overtime or loaned equipment
but the overarching message here is that
when you're accessing FEMA money you
should have really good processes to
track costs and retain all supporting
documentation so this includes things
like policies for overtime payments
related to Cova 19 response a
timekeeping system to capture time for
salaried employees and/or contract staff
and emergency specific cost codes for
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capital expenses equipment of supplies
and contract cuffs and finally you
should have a standardized process to
track cost and retain and review all
supporting documentation like invoices
receipts etc you really want to track
all of these costs diligently starting
now FEMA eligible costs also include a 5
add on to cover indirect costs and the
use of consultants all right with that
let's go to polling question as your
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organization filled out a request for
public assistant yes
no not sure or not applicable
please take fifteen to twenty seconds to
submit your response looks like the
majority of our attendees today have not
filled out their RPA
wait I'm gonna hand it back over to you
thanks Rachel okay
let's go through a brief overview of the
CMS interim final rule for our next
topic this rule was released on March
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30th now this rule is around 220 pages
long and the CMS team had very little
time after passage of the new
legislation to draft what ended up being
massive policy changes the overarching
theme of these changes is to reduce
barriers to remote care which has become
an imperative during the public health
event simply put we can't very well
require an in-person visit in an era of
social distancing the IFR achieves this
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objective by expanding the type of codes
medicare providers and suppliers can
build for telehealth services permitting
greater flexibility with patient consent
and clarifying and expanding
telecommunication modalities and
increasing reimbursement for certain
services that are particularly important
to the Cova 19 pandemic will briefly
cover each of these at a high level but
we won't really get into the details in
this webinar stay tuned for future
webinars and thought where on this topic
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including a joint webinar with the HF MA
on April 27th focus solely on the
interim final rule one more thing to
mention before we get into a few
specifics these policy changes are only
applicable during the declared public
health event and sunset at the
conclusion of this crisis however you
know given the recent state of change in
our health care systems we might view
these changes as a sort of indicator
of things to come hopefully in some
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cases okay
the expanded list of services referenced
in the second bullet point on this slide
includes emergency department visits
initial and subsequent observation and
observation discharge management initial
hospital care and hospital discharge
management initial nursing facility
visits and discharge management critical
care services home visits and therapy
services the IFR expands the codes
Medicare provider and suppliers can bill
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for telehealth services which now
include emergency department visits
observation inpatient hospital codes
nursing facility codes home visits and
intensive care services it also expands
the modes of telecommunication I have to
admit I thought this was a pretty
interesting part of the IFR to read
terms of how Medicare rules have evolved
along with the function of what we used
to call a telephone or hey think about
what phones do today compared to phones
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20 years ago anyway
practitioners may now use cell phones
that as long as they provide two-way
real-time interactive audio and video
capabilities to furnish Medicare
telehealth just earlier this week my
daughter had a FaceTime call with her
doctor and I got to tell you many of you
can relate to this after years of
getting myself and my kids the doctors
this seemed like a pretty cool way to do
this appointment an interesting side
note though to these expanded modalities
is the intersection with HIPPA the
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Office of Civil Rights announced
previously it will exercise enforcement
discretion with respect to HIPAA
violations resulting from quote
good-faith use of communication to
provide telehealth during the pandemic
now this exercise discretion applies to
non-public facing technologies such as
FaceTime or Skype and the OCR noted that
public facing video communication
technologies such as Facebook live
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twitch or tik-tok should not be used
and frankly I just have to throw that
last bit in because I got a kick out of
thinking about my doctor trying to
communicate with me on tick tock I'm not
even sure how that would work all right
but back to this life the ifr increases
reimbursement for certain areas a couple
of examples are lab increasing from $3
to $5 and now paying for travel cost as
well as the physician evaluation and
management televisions lastly on
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frequency prior to the Cova 19 public
health emergency CMS limited certain
telehealth services for subsequent
inpatient hospital visits and on
subsequent nursing facility visits to
once every 30 days and critical care
consultation to once per day those
limitations have been eliminated during
the public health event patients who are
instructed to remain in their homes or
are under self quarantine may be
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considered homebound for purposes of the
Medicare homebound benefit allowing
telemedicine and remote patient
monitoring to provide services to
beneficiaries as you would expect there
are some important guidelines and
restrictions related to the use of hook
the home health agencies use of
Technology which we won't get into the
details in this webinar today the IFR
also allows hospices to provide home
care services via telehealth if it's
feasible and appropriate to do so again
the use of technology is subject to some
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restrictions here and the hospice
physician or nurse practitioner can use
telehealth to perform a face-to-face
encounter also recognizing that rural
health clinics are critical the IFR
includes enhanced payment rates for
telehealth services a few last points on
the CMS ifr it reimburses travel costs
for lab specimen collections that allows
reimbursement for physician and nurse
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practitioner telephone visits with
patients it allows resident FTE counts
for GME to include residents furnishing
services from home
or the patient's home enough allows
hospitals to furnish services to
inpatients outside the hospital now that
was a pretty condensed overview of the
IFR so as I mentioned at the beginning
of this section stay tuned for future
webinars and thought where on this topic
before we go to our last topic let's go
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to our last holdat question only
question number four how familiar are
you with the paycheck protection program
very somewhat not at all not sure or not
applicable
please take fifteen to twenty seconds to
submit your answer looks like the
majority of our attendees today are
somewhat familiar with the protection
program so now I'll hand it over to
Wayne
thanks again as I mentioned the last
topic we have in this webinar is SBA
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loans now I guess just as a warning this
topic is pretty dense and as you'll see
many healthcare systems won't qualify
but we wanted to give you enough of an
overview to know what this is all about
and to know whether it's an option worth
pursuing
there are various SBA coronavirus relief
options we'll briefly define each of
these and then focus on the two that are
the most relevant to health care
entities first the paycheck protection
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program this is the program were
referred to at the beginning of the
webinar as potential forgivable cash
flow relief this loan program provides
loan forgiveness for retaining employees
by temporarily expanding the traditional
SBA 7a loan flow program when we
prepared this webinar the Senate had
announced they were likely to approve
approximately a quarter trillion that's
with the t accorded trillion in new
relief for small businesses on top of
the 349 billion all readily already
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appropriated and on April 8 which is
just yesterday the Senate issued a draft
amendment to increase the amount from
349 billion to 600 billion dollars
the EEI DL or economic injury disaster
loan advanced this loan advanced will
provide up to ten thousand dollars of
economic relief to businesses that are
currently experiencing temporary
difficulties there's another loan amount
embedded in there that we'll get to when
we go through it in a little detail but
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that ten thousand is a key portion
because it's forgivable the SBA Express
bridge loans enables small businesses
who are currently or who currently have
a business relationship with an SBA
Express lender to access up to $25,000
quickly as in within 36 hours compared
to the Paycheck protection program which
could take several weeks to process and
then we have the SBA debt relief the SBA
is providing a financial reprieve to
small businesses during the Cova 19
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pandemic who currently have SBA service
disaster home and business loans regular
service status loans on March 1st 2020
are automatically deferred through
December 31st 2020 ok over the next
several slides we're going to focus on
the PPP and Eid L programs is there the
most relevant for our audience today so
the Paycheck protection program is a
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loan design designed to provide a direct
incentive for small businesses to keep
their workers on the payroll SBA will
forgive the loans if all employees are
kept on the payroll for 8 weeks and the
money is used for payroll rent mortgage
interest or utilities so who can qualify
obviously businesses meaning the
traditional rules qualify now qualifying
businesses for PPP has been expanded
under kovat legislation to include
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not-for-profit entities veterans
organizations and tribal concerns but
from here it gets just a little tricky
because there's a point of confusion as
to the size standards as they are
referred to in the actual cares law PPP
regulations and fa Q's
versus what is on the SBA website the
website is broader stating that size
qualification can consider revenues if
these newly covered entities have more
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than 500 employees however the law
regulations and fa Q's state that these
newly covered entities must not have
more than 500 employees so this is
another point to watch as more
clarifying guidance becomes available
speaking about the number of employees
in determining a concerns number of
employees the SBA counts all individuals
employed on a full-time part-time or
other basis this includes employees
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obtained from a temp agency professional
employee organization or a leasing
company where the size standard is
number of employees the average number
of employees is used based on the pay
periods for the proceeding completed
twelve calendar months part-time and
temporary employees are counted the same
as full-time employees now if you've
been in business for less than 12 months
the average number is used for each pay
period during which you've been in
business and there are also alternative
time periods for new and seasonal
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businesses so what size standards has
SBA identified by North American
industry classification system codes the
size standards themselves are expressed
either in number of employees or annual
receipts in millions of dollars unless
otherwise specified the number of
employees or annual receipts indicates
the maximum allowed for a concern and
its affiliates to be considered small
we'll show you some example of these
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thresholds on the next couple of slides
now we were hoping that per location
rather than per entity counts of
employees we're going to make the rule
however this exception only applies to
what are traditionally referred to as
rooftop businesses like hotels and
restaurants for other types of
businesses affiliation rules must be
considered when determining
qualification under the size rules
of employee count in that revenues and
so we're gonna spend a little time
talking about those affiliation rules as
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well first I mentioned that we show you
a few examples of the size threshold for
the Paycheck protection program on this
slide you can see size limitations for
hospitals at 41 and point five million
nursing homes at sixteen point five nine
now conceptually a for-profit hospital
that has more than 500 employees and
less than forty one point five million
of revenue could qualify however it's
not as clear in the case of a non-profit
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hospital as I mentioned the law
regulations and FA Hughes would say no
due to the verbage requiring less than
500 employees without the option of
assessing revenues however the SBA
website indicates otherwise
so there's a lot of pressure being
applied right now by Congress to broaden
the text in the law and regulations but
we haven't seen anything official to
date all right these are just a few
additional types of health care provider
size limitations in terms of annual net
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revenues which you can peruse with your
copy of the slides so how does SBA
calculate annual receipts the language
in the statute is all revenue in
whatever form received or accrued from
whatever source that's pretty broad and
would include things like the sale of
products or services interest dividends
rents royalties fees and commissions
these would be reduced by any returns
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and allowances and angular receipts do
not include net capital gains or losses
related related to that or related party
transactions so how does the SBA
determine affiliation I mentioned we
would talk about this remember this is
an important point for application of
the size rules of employee count and net
revenues we're gonna get just a little
technical here as we talk through you
know each of these bullet points but
hopefully this contextualizes this idea
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of affiliation concerns and
our affiliates of each other when one
controls or has the power to control the
other or a third party or parties
controls or has the power to control
both it doesn't matter whether control
is actually exercised here so long as
the power to control exists control can
exist through ownership management
relationships or contracts for
determining affiliation based on equity
ownership a concern is an affiliate if
an individual concern or entity that
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owns or has the power to control more
than 50% of the concerns voting equity
if no individual concern or entity is
found to control the SBA will deem the
president or board or CEO to be in
control of the concern affiliation also
arises when the CEO president or others
of the applicant controls the management
of one or more other concerns or when
the board of one concern also controls
the board of other concerns affiliation
also arises through a management
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agreement such as a larger system
responsible for managing the operations
of a rural hospital of which it has no
ownership also keep in mind that in
determining whether affiliation exists
SBA will consider the totality of the
circumstances and may find affiliation
even though no single factor is
sufficient to constitute affiliation so
unfortunately considering the healthcare
industry affiliations many healthcare
systems would not qualify since the
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totality of the organization will need
to be considered even when looking at
the smaller pieces within the system
okay we've talked a lot about
qualifications for the Paycheck
protection program so let's get into the
details of what the loan and the
opportunity for loan forgiveness
actually is PPP is a loan that can be
forgiven to cover eight weeks of payroll
costs and interest in mortgage rent and
utilities existing before February 15
2024 payroll costs most should use
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actual payroll data for the calendar
year 2019 there are alternatives for
seasonal and new businesses as filled
out on the slide payroll cost for
employees comp
over $100,000 on an annual basis cannot
be included but subject to that
limitation you should use gross payroll
lest the employer share of payroll tax
as part of a PPP loan an e IDL
originally made earlier this year can be
refinanced as part of a PPP and
principal interest and fees are deferred
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for six months and any Unforgiven debt
has a maturity of two years with a 1%
interest rate now in order for a PPP
loan to be forgiven at least 75% of the
forgiven amount must have been used for
payroll this is to make sure that the
core purpose of the statute is met and
that program resources are devoted
primarily to payroll forgiveness is
based on the employer maintaining or
quickly rehiring employees and
maintaining salary levels the amount of
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loan forgiveness will be reduced if
full-time headcount declines or if
salaries and wages decrease guidance on
the specifics of loan forgiveness
haven't haven't been issued yet it's
important to note that participation in
the PPP program Rekluse an organization
from participating in employee retention
credits and the employer tax deferral
option and just to note bkd has a tool
to help you quantify which of these
options might be best for you various
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certifications will be required upon
application and there are some pretty
stiff penalties for knowingly making
false statements and using funds for
unauthorized purposes okay well we've
spent most of this topic on SBA is
talking about PPP loans so let's turn
our attention to the economic injury
disaster loan program and you'll be
happy to know I only have one slide on
this one in addition to working capital
loans of up to two million dollars what
you see up here on the top right small
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business owners are eligible to apply
for an advance of up to $10,000 this
advance is intended to provide economic
relief to businesses currently
experiencing a temporary loss of revenue
the loan advance does not have to be
repaid now there
seems to be some confusion on who is
eligible for this long that may be
because there is no regulatory guidance
however an SBA slide presentation and
yes we're down to gleaning guidance from
slide presentations showed that
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charitable organizations do not qualify
which is odd because they are eligible
under the PPP program governmental
organizations are also ineligible the
key difference between the e IDL and the
PPP is that the e IDL is a loan at a
higher rate of interest to be repaid and
will not be forgiven an organization can
be enrolled of both but they have to
cover different cost and as I mentioned
an existing idea can be refinanced into
a PPP
for eligible businesses okay that brings
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us back to where we started with this
decision tree we've covered a lot of
ground and hopefully these three
categories of cash flow relief makes a
little more sense now before I turn it
back over to Danielle Solomon to wrap
things up for us I just want to say
thank you for your attention today be
well and be safe and Danielle over to
you thanks Wayne for navigating us
through all that information and
providing areas for what to watch
impassable changes that are coming you
know I also want to acknowledge eyes
acknowledge excuse me that if you're
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confused or overwhelmed that's okay and
kind of expected during this time please
reach out to us with any questions
clarification advice or help I'm been
monitoring the questions here and we'll
try to go through some of those and send
some information out we also have the
health care covered webpage that has
guidance that I want to point out to
everyone sign up for thought we're but
really nothing really replaces the
direct contact and don't hesitate to
reach out to us because that's one
aspect of our life that has really
completely changed right now and if many
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of you are like me that's really
something that you're probably missing
is that direct interaction so as a
reminder our goal today was to help
focus you on areas of relief so that you
can continue your mission to provide
care that are so critical right now as I
talked to a large multi-state Health
System in the middle of the country they
were reflecting on how fortunate they
feel right now
to really have had time to prepare and
adjust versus what the East and West
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Coast experienced you know when the
coasts saw the surges many were still
performing elective surgery people were
still moving around so accidents were
occurring trauma cases were presenting
so really the ability to postpone those
elective surgeries and limit accidents
and trauma cases has really allowed
providers to free up capacity to prepare
for the predicted surges but as we've
talked about this also creates other
issues around cash flow so a couple
things that I just want to highlight
again since information is coming out so
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quickly that we mentioned was that
Tuesday Seema Varma recognized Anna
price a press conference Tuesday night
the increased expenses and efforts that
you're all taking and how this is having
cash flow constraints on the
organization she talked about in the
past 10 days how they've received 25,000
requests for the accelerated payments
and processed 70% in five days which
totaled 34 billion and again how that
information or how those are coming out
and if you're actually getting the full
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amount we're hearing from clients is
kind of differing so if you have applied
for if you haven't got all of the
information you're not alone however she
also reminded everyone you know that
this is really just a loan and that they
need to do a better job and so she
talked about the 30 billion in grants
it's part of the hundred billion in
emergency funds that were discussed and
how those are going to be distributed
based on Medicare revenue her quote was
with no strings attached
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and the goal was to get the money
distributed very in an easy simplified
way through direct deposits and that
should happen this week she also talked
about the second phase of priority on
organizations that Medicare isn't the
largest funding source so in total they
have infused 64 billion into the system
hopefully by the end of this week you
know another reminder on the loans was a
letter that was just sent to the
secretary yesterday regarding the timing
of the Bri payments on the accelerated
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advanced payment program but I want to
make sure everyone's aware of they
talked about the significant
interest rates as well that are
associated with this program the letter
really stressed that for this program to
be the most effective health care
providers need to be assured that the
large interest payments will not accrue
and can be really delayed as long as
possible during this public health
emergency and economic crisis so the
letter asked for two things the first
was consideration on extending the
current period period beyond the twelve
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months until a time which the public
health and economic circumstances have
stabilized and the second was is if they
had the authority to waive or modify
these interest rate requirements so more
to come no clarification on that and
that was a letter that was just sent
yesterday I've been offline off email
for the hour that this presentation has
been going on and I guarantee as soon as
I log back in there will be updates of
information coming through it's just the
speed of changes and predictions and
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information and we're doing our best to
try to get that information out so we
have a few minutes to go through a
couple questions and these are questions
that we're also getting from clients and
prospects that were just sort of saying
the first one is how should my
organization estimate foregone revenue
you know and we just talked about that
guidance from the secretary hasn't been
received and current information right
now really does indicate a more
simplified approach to distribute in
these grant money however we also
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recognize that it's better to be
prepared and the one thing hospitals do
have a lot of is data so a known number
that we know is that hospitals you can
get is the number of scheduled or
canceled procedures as a starting point
in addition you have a lot of historical
information on the number of elective
surgeries and visits that are usually
performed during this timeframe in
addition you can consider your budgeted
elective procedures for this period as
well as those professional fees that are
associated because really as we know
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that these are the most profitable
revenues for health systems so well
nothing's attached to guidance isn't out
that's what we're we're recommending and
seeing right now I'm
other question came in saying which
program should I pursue first you know
and the answer here is really you should
give consideration to any or all
acknowledging that you really have to be
careful how you spend your time and your
resources however you know we're having
a lot of adverse effects in the massive
the massive effect on your health system
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everything here helps so as we note
throughout the presentation there are
certain programs that preclude
participation in others so that's why
it's really taking a step back looking
at what you're eligible for and taking
time to go through those and figure out
the best options is really important you
know in that same lines we had a
hospital ask you know if I have less
than 500 employees and no affiliations
should I apply for everything as the
opportunity arises and this is where we
say no really you should pause and make
sure that one program doesn't preclude
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you from from another program Leslie it
looked like a lot of you have not done
anything with the FEMA claims yet with
the RPA application and I know it's a
fairly easy process and they've lifted
the 30-day requirement right now but
there's one question around that that I
thought it would be beneficial for this
groups and it's if you if you have a if
you have a you have to file in every
state if you have a multi-system health
system and the answer there is you do
need a profile and every state however
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one application in the state should
suffice for all your facilities in that
state so I think we're coming up here on
the end so in closing I just want to
remind everyone that guidance is fluid
you know the government's looking for
ways to get money into the system
however we also need to remind ourselves
it's nothing is free and you can only
get reimbursed from one source for an
expense and this documentation and
support is easier to capture now rather
than later and I don't intend for that
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to sound negative but really just kind
of want to be more realistic and
encouraging everyone to track and
support their expenses now to avoid any
surprises later so stay safe and again
thank you for all you're doing to keep
us safe and I think I'll turn it over
for some closing
administrative items Thank You Danielle
and thank you again to Wayne as well as
well as all of our presentation
contributors for today thanks again for
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tuning our webinar
have a great day and stay well