A Parent’s Guide to Navigating Insurance Coverage | Wendy Richardson
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- Action today's webinar is presented by Wendy Richardson our family care...
- Like annual well visits are exempt from deductibles and you could have separate...
- You can see and the diagnosis codes these are totally made up and just a...
- This worksheet off our website and just fill in the blanks as you go so make a...
- From what you just sent me here's my reference number for the phone call so...
- How lack of this treatment can be detrimental to your child's health and...
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action today's webinar is presented by
Wendy Richardson our family care
coordinator here at the Johnson center
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certified Child Life Specialist and
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our recorded webinars please welcome our
presenter Wendy Richardson thanks
Tiffany and thank you all for joining me
today for this presentation a parent's
guide to navigating insurance coverage
we chose to present this topic because
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we've noticed common questions about
insurance cover ease coverage from all
the families that we serve through this
presentation we hope to provide solid
baseline understanding of insurance
coverage including terminology and
claims processing in this presentation
we will cover types of insurance that
are available on the market we're going
to talk about the differences between
self-funded and traditional insurance
policies will define those commonly used
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terms you hear all the time we'll go
over how to read a sample clinic bill
explanation of benefits how to fill out
a claim form we'll walk through what to
ask when you're calling your insurance
company about coverage will walk through
the process of appealing a denied claim
will touch on the insurance laws by
state and finally we will review some
frequently asked questions if there's
time at the end I'll take questions from
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you so before we go any further I want
to provide a brief disclaimer
first we are not insurance lawyers or
specialists we've done our research but
the information presented here is not to
be considered legal advice if you are in
a situation in which you believe you
have legal recourse with your insurance
provider please contact a licensed
attorney secondly along the same lines
please be aware the insurance laws vary
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from state to state if you have concerns
about mandatory coverage regulations
please contact your state's department
of health and human services finally
it's extremely important to bear in mind
that every single insurance policy is
different well you may have insurance
through the same company as your mother
brother neighbor or friend your coverage
will most likely be different even if
your coworker may have even your
coworker may have different coverage if
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your employer has offers multiple
policies so when we talk about types of
insurance we're talking about how you
purchase your policy you can purchase a
policy through your employer you can
purchase a policy on your own in the
individual market and if you're
interested in learning more about
purchasing individual insurance you can
review this guide published by The Wall
Street Journal listed here or if you're
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eligible you may receive public
insurance like Medicaid or Medicare
please visit healthcare gov to find out
more about public insurance programs
whether you're parked whether you
purchase private insurance through your
employer or individually it's important
to note if you have a traditional plan
or a self-funded plan when we talk about
traditional versus self-funded we're
talking about money we're talking about
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whether the money paid out for claims
where it comes from we're also talking
about who decides what's covered in your
plan and what the benefits will be
in a traditional insurance policy the
plan is negotiated between the employer
and the big insurance company they
determine the coverage the premiums what
is your deductible and money to pay
claims comes from the insurance company
the employer and the employee premiums
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self-funded insurance is very different
in a self-funded plan the details of the
costs and the coverage are designed by
the employer or the group using the plan
so one of the differences is and we have
an example at the bottom is that members
it can write to and go to the employer
and say this is not covered on our plan
and a group of us would like it to be
included and we have an example at the
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bottom we're a family went to their
employer to add a BA benefits to their
self-funded plan even includes a sample
of the letter that they wrote and they
were successful so that's something to
research if you have a self-funded
insurance plan and that's one of the
benefits and a typical insurance company
like Aetna or Blue Cross will act as the
administrator of the policy so they do
all the paperwork you'll have a typical
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insurance card the other difference the
self-funded plan is only subject to
federal regulations not state
regulations so now that we know where
your insurance policy comes from let's
dive into defining some Universal terms
used by virtually all insurance
providers and clinicians it's important
that you know and understand these terms
in order to best understand your
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coverage so a premium think of your
premium as your monthly membership or
subscription payment I can be taken from
your paycheck pre-tax if you have a
policy through your employer
it can be billed to you if you purchase
an individual policy a deductible a
specific dollar amount that you pay out
of pocket to service providers before
your insurance plan pays you anything
renews every contract year some services
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like annual well visits are exempt from
deductibles and you could have separate
deductibles for different types of
services like a medical deductible
versus a behavior deductible you hear
people talk about high premium low
deductible and vice versa hi premium low
deductible means you pay out more each
month for your membership and when you
have medical bills you have to pay less
out of pocket before your benefits kick
in conversely with a low premium high
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deductible plan you pay less each month
but you have to pay more for medical
services before your benefits kick in in
network your insurer negotiates with a
wide range of doctors specialists
hospitals labs and pharmacies to pay a
set price for things these are the
providers in your network your insurance
provider will typically pay a higher
percentage of your claim if you receive
care in network out of network these are
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providers outside your network who have
not agreed to any set rates your plan
may require higher co-pays deductibles
coinsurance for out of network care your
plan may not cover out of network care
at all leaving you to pay the full cost
yourself so more on out of network
you'll most likely pay the entire cost
of the appointment at the time you're
there unless other arrangements have
been made coverage comes in the form of
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reimbursement you're out of network
provider may or may not submit those
claims on your behalf so again commonly
used terms the in network is where your
doctor negotiates special rates with
your insurance provider and out of
network they have no relationship with
your
insurance provider so a Venn diagram of
two circles that never meet a co-payment
you probably all know about co-payments
a specific charge for a medical service
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or supply so for example your insurance
may require a twenty-dollar co-payment
for an office visit or a brand-name
prescription drug after which the
insurance company often covers the
remainder of the charges so for example
you have an office visit and the doctor
charges you a hundred dollars your
insurance policy says you have a copay
for that service of twenty dollars the
doctor's office will charge your copay
at the appointment and your insurance
will be billed the remaining eighty
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dollars remember how you paid in full at
your out-of-network appointment and are
expecting reimbursement if there's a
copay on that service that amount will
be used to calculate how much you will
be reimbursed after that appointment so
in-network co-pays are paid by the
patient up front at the time of service
an out-of-network co-pays are calculated
into your reimbursement later
coinsurance is the percentage that
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you're required to pay for covered
medical services after you've satisfied
any co-payment or deductible so for
example if your insurance company covers
eighty percent of the cost of a specific
service you will be required to cover
the remaining twenty percent as your
coinsurance so again this is after your
deductible has been met so the
difference is that a copay is a set
dollar amount usually paid upfront and
coinsurance is a percentage that is
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usually build after insurance has paid
their percentage being billed later for
services only applies to the in-network
services will address the claims process
of out of network coverage later another
commonly used term annual maximum
maximum dollar amount your insurance
will pay in a contract year so there may
be separate maximum
for specific services like a ba or
medical visits diagnostics and your
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policy may also limit services by number
of visits per contract year and also
make a note when is your contract year
it could be january to december or just
any period of 12 months depending on the
policy reasonable and customary charges
so often responsible for higher co-pays
than expected each insurance provider
calculates their own reasonable and
customary fee schedule so this is a
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dollar amount an insurance carrier is
willing to pay for a specific service
it's determined by geographic location
they'll say like okay everyone in this
zip code is allowed this it comes into
play when you go out of network for
example if you have a chest x-ray at
your out-of-network doctor it may cost
120 dollars but your insurance carrier
may determine the reasonable and
customary charge for your area is only a
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hundred dollars so here's a diagram that
explains the differences for example in
network if he might be 250 the
reasonable and customary is 200 doctors
would have negotiated to write off fifty
dollars if you have an 8020 plan
insurance would have paid 160 and then
you have a copay or coinsurance of
twenty percent of forty dollars and your
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total cost to you would be forty dollars
you can see in out-of-network that the
charge is the same 250 reasonable and
customary is 200 but because it's out of
network you have a 60-40 plan so it's a
hundred and twenty dollars you're forty
percent co-insurance is eighty dollars
so that leaves you with fifty dollars
that hasn't been written off by the
doctor because they're not contracted in
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network so your total cost is actually
130 so that's just an example of
in-network versus out of network and why
they're different so far in our term
section we've talked about where the
money comes from when we talk to
premiums and deductibles we talked about
what your insurance will cover when we
talked about co-pays co-insurance and
reasonable and customary charges now
we're going to talk about coding and how
your insurance company processes claims
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so a diagnosis code this code tells your
insurance company why you had an
appointment or other medical service
it's usually a three-digit code it may
include decimals and and as you imagine
it's used to group and identify diseases
disorder symptoms poisoning adverse
effects of drugs and chemicals injuries
and any reason for a patient encounter
we've made a sample here just so that
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you can see and the diagnosis codes
these are totally made up and just a
sample of a statement and highlighted in
purple are the three digit with a
decimal and diagnosis codes you'll also
have a cpt code that stands for
procedure or current procedural
terminology so this code tells the
insurance company what happened at the
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appointment it's a five digit code and
it will identify a specific clinical
service so the type of office visit the
type of x-ray etc here's a sample
showing you on a statement that five
digit code so notice diagnosis codes are
above and highlighted in purple is your
5-digit cpt code so just as another
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example and the diagnosis code is for
the broken leg and the cpt code is for
putting a cast on it
so again the coding system is determined
and maintained by the American Medical
Association it's used universally in the
United States to process insurance
claims in both public and private
insurance so those codes are universal a
special note codes can only be
determined by qualified clinicians to
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change a code on a claim without the
approval of a licensed clinician is
insurance fraud so you've all seen these
and probably wondered about them an EOB
that's the explanation of benefits that
you get in the mail it's a document
provided by your insurance company
outlining how benefits were paid out for
a specific claim so in network this you
will arrive after your care provider has
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processed your claim and if you're out
of network it will arrive after you've
submitted for reimbursement your EOB may
come with a check or a denial of why
they're not sending you a check so again
the EOB is not a bill it's explaining to
you why you're getting money or not
getting money here's an example we just
made up a cookie yeob here and you could
just see all the different elements and
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it'll say deductible what your copay was
what the provider was paid what is the
patient responsibility and it should
also say this is not a bill
preauthorization so this is a decision
by your insurer that a service treatment
plan prescription drug or durable
medical equipment is medically necessary
it's also sometimes called prior
authorization prior approval
pre-certification so every insurance
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company may call it something different
your insurance may require
pre-authorization for certain services
before you receive them except in an
emergency so here's an example
and it's always good just to ask the
question does this need to be
pre-authorized for example if your child
is already receiving 20 hours a week of
ABA therapy that has been referred to a
behaviorally based feeding clinic so
that can be five days of intervention
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six hours a day that can look different
from traditional ABA so those additional
30 hours may be considered outside the
scope of your ongoing ABA program and
you may need to be approved for this
special intervention so
pre-authorization forms need to be
completed along with the documented
necessity from your clinician it's
always good to ask the question it's
always good to put in the forms so that
it's approved before you have the
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service so you must wait for
confirmation in writing that insurance
will cover it and you also have to allow
30 days to hear from your insurance on
that so now you speak the language of
insurance how do you find out about your
coverage you must call your insurance
company to determine your coverage for
specific services so the staff of the
Johnson center has put together a
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worksheet for calling your insurance
company do determine coverage and this
is really helpful to gather your
information even before you start so the
link is available on our website and
i'll talk more about that oh in fact
there's the address so again you want to
gather all your details before you get
on the phone with them and it asks for
things like your clinic and your
practitioners ID numbers so like we all
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have social security numbers your
clinicians have ID numbers clinics have
federal ID numbers practitioners have
something called an NPI number this will
also help your insurance company find
the correct information for your
appointments so you want to make a list
of those numbers for all your
practitioners
and and your clinic will provide those
to you and keep those in a place that
you can refer to easily so the first
thing you're going to go through is a
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you know the clinic name tax ID your the
credentials which can come into place
you want to make a note you know are
they a do or an MD and and also their
clinic address if they work at multiple
locations you want to know that they're
you're covered at a specific clinic and
also if you are an existing patient with
the provider you can call the clinic and
ask if they can provide the cpt codes
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that the appointment will be billed
under however if you're a new patient
this code may not be available or may
change once you see the clinician so not
jot down what your CPT code is that
you're going to be calling them about
and if no cpt code can be provided list
the nature of the appointment or the
therapy so you're going to call the
member number on the back of your
insurance card and again you don't have
to take notes because you can download
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this worksheet off our website and just
fill in the blanks as you go so make a
note of the person you're talking to and
the date and the time of the call and
they often just give you their first
name and a last initial so every you
might talk to six different people on
one insurance call so you always write
down the new name the date and the time
of the call is there a call reference
number this is important if you need to
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call back if you have an appeal pending
because you want to be able to say I
talked to Jane at twelve-fifteen on
Saturday the 19th this is the call
reference number if you need to look up
and so you want all your details also
some insurance providers employ
specialists in their customer service
departments these specialists will have
greater knowledge of treatment
teachers and coding for patients with a
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specific need like autism or diabetes or
cancer so ask if you can be assigned a
liaison that's a specialist in your area
so find out if your appointment coverage
is covered under a medical plan a
behavior plan they're often they can be
even two different companies within your
insurance and the description of
services or CPT code will help them
determine which plan to look into if
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it's a behavior plan you'll likely to be
transferred to a whole new department so
again who are you talking to what is the
number you called who because it's going
to be different what time were you
talking to them what was the date what's
the new call reference number this may
come into play later so if you don't
have a diagnosis code because you have
not yet seen the clinician you may be
able to find out which diagnosis code
the insurance company will look for in
order to cover the cpt code in question
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so the next thing you're going to do is
give the representative the clinic's
name the tax ID number your providers
name and their NPI number so you can ask
are the services at this clinic in
network or out of network with my policy
and then again if you have your CPT
codes you can give it to them or the
description of the service and you
always want to ask is there a time limit
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on the length of the appointment find
out do they cover an hour do they cover
50 minutes 45 minutes and if your
service is covered what percent will
they reimburse you after your deductible
has been met so they'll typically say oh
we'll pay eighty percent of customary
charges after your two thousand dollar
deductible has been met for this child
so you're going to write down what
percentage are they going to reimburse
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you and
what is your deductible if the provider
is out of network ask if there is a fee
schedule of reasonable and customary
charges if so what is the reasonable and
customary charge for the service that
you want to do and if you're out of
network you want to say you know what's
the reasonable and customary charge for
an hour of speech their therapy in my
area this question may also require a
call to a different department at the
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insurance company again what is the name
of the person you're talking to the time
you called the date you called ok so
then you want to say here's what my
clinic charges a hundred dollars an hour
for this service insurance says
reasonable and customary is eighty
dollars so the difference is twenty
dollars that I would be out of pocket is
the service subject to a deductible if
so how much of your deductible do you
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have left to pay this contract here
before insurance begins to cover the
service clarify that the information is
for in-network or out of network because
these can be different amounts and
remember you may have separate
deductibles for medical and behavior
services you want to ask is there a
copay for each visit with this cpt code
in network co-pays are paid at the time
of the service out of network co-pays
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are calculated into your reimbursement
so you also want to ask is there a
maximum number on the amount of
appointments I can have of this service
per year could be 20 appointments so you
want to make a note of that so you don't
go over the 20 visits a year that
they're allowing you clarify again is
that 20 visits in network or 20 visits
out of network because they can be
different is there a ceiling on the
total dollar amount that you'll pay for
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this specific service each year again if
they say we will only pay for twenty
thousand dollars of ABA per year you
want to know what that ceiling is to
keep track of it
this information is very important when
finding out about coverage for ongoing
intervention like we said such as speech
therapy etc it's always good to ask does
a pre-authorization letter or form need
to be submitted and approved for this
service and if the answer is yes you're
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going to download the pre-authorization
form from the forum section on the
carrier's website and give it to the
clinician staff to be completed and then
you want to follow that through making
sure it gets faxed calling the next day
making sure they actually received it
that it's in the queue that they're
looking at it and so always a good idea
does this have to be pre-authorized
before I start the service also is there
a certain credential acclivity
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clinicians must hold to conduct this
type of service or appointment so for
example can diagnostics be done by a
counselor typically it has to be a
licensed psychologist for certain things
you just want to make sure that you know
the credentials that they will pay for
for those appointments if your service
will be out of network and we're on
their website can you print a claim form
because that will be up to you to submit
the claim ask how long it takes to
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process your claim and issue you a
reimbursement check and write this on
your calendar to follow up you always
want to copy all of your claim documents
and file them in your binder with these
call worksheet notes and if you receive
conflicting information on the billing
of this appointment you can call your
insurance carrier back use those
reference numbers and say I talked to
Sally at twelve-fifteen on the 19th and
this is what they told me that differs
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from what you just sent me here's my
reference number for the phone call so
that's the worksheet again that you can
download off her web website that's very
helpful every time you call insurance
now let's talk about filing that
out-of-network claim
so use the invoice from the clinic to
find your coding information attached a
copy of your claim form that you'll get
off your insurance company's website and
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mail it to the claims address also don't
put this off they have rules about how
far back they'll process a claim like
six months and so you want to get it in
there so that you can get your money
back you're going to keep a photocopy of
the entire claim in your insurance
binder and record the date you mailed it
by federal law insurance must reply so
that means they can approve it deny it
or ask you for more information in 30
days note on your calendar when to
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follow up on the claim if you don't
receive a reimbursement check a denial
letter or that they haven't requested
more information um always file claims
to ensure that any covered services
count towards your deductible you may
not actually know but it's just good to
send it in even if you think perhaps it
will not be covered so the next thing
that we'll talk about and is the in
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network claims if you go in network the
claim will be processed by the clinic or
the hospital that you visited if you
have a copay they will most likely
charge you for it up front and bill you
for your coinsurance after your
insurance has paid their portion let's
talk about Appeals if your claim is
denied you have a right to appeal if
your services received in network and
the claim was processed by your clinics
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billing department contact them for
assistance with Appeals if you're out of
network claim was denied you can take
the following actions to appeal the
denial it's very important that you read
her insurance policy regarding the
appeal process the rules for it the
timeframes and the information you need
to provide so again those instructions
should be outlined and in your EOB
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if not contacts your insurance company
or your human resources department
appeals may require specific forms or
just a letter find that out and note if
your insurance imposes a timeframe for
appeals so there's multiple levels of
Appeals and there's a first second and
external appeal level appeals go through
a process of ranks with the first being
a basic appeal usually done in writing
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if you're denied and you wish to appeal
again it will go through a second appeal
process that typically involves a
telephone or in person conference with
the insurance agent some insurance
companies offer an external appeal
process if your appeal is denied on the
basis that is not medically necessary
it's experimental investigational a
clinical trial a rare disease treatment
or out of network this type of appeal is
reviewed by an independent and external
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medical expert who will make the final
call of either approval overturn or
denied in urgent situations an expedited
appeal process may be considered
examples of urgent situations include
approval for hospice care home health or
rehabilitation centers so first you need
to understand why did my insurance deny
coverage for this treatment in order to
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effectively go through the appeals
process a reason will usually be given
on your EOB if the treatment or
medication or service is clearly listed
in your insurance policy as an uncovered
service there's almost no value in
appealing however if there's no mention
of the treatment you are seeking or if
coverage is unclear the appeal may be
more effective so to write an appeal
letter when going through an appeal
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process write your own appeal letter you
know your child and their needs and
their conditions
and more than anyone else don't wait or
expect your clinical provider to write
the letter or to call the insurance
company for you when writing an appeal
letter be very specific and detailed
this is your opportunity to share with
the insurance company why a medical
treatment would be beneficial for your
child's condition will this treatment
prevent further illness or disability
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reduce hospital stays and will it save
the insurance company money how will not
having this treatment worse in your
child's condition will the lack of this
treatment cause the insurance company to
cover more expensive medical treatments
something that they want to avoid what
treatments have you tried in the past
list everything that was tried whether
successful or failed why do you think
this treatment will be more successful
and possibly cost effective for the
insurance company than other things
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you've tried in the past the insurance
company is going to want data or proof
of medical necessity and previously used
treatments along with European letter
provide evidence from medical records
indicating recommendations for this
treatment as well as previously tried
treatments if lab results demonstrate
evidence of treatment necessity provide
those as well can you sit the medically
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justified are there published articles
and studies that support the treatment
of your child's condition provide this
information in your letter do not insert
magazine articles or newspaper clippings
you're trying to convince a group of
medical professionals that this
treatment is necessary do not write an
excessively long letter the details your
emotions or thoughts about the treatment
keep it brief keep it factual about why
you're appealing your child's current
medical condition and how this treatment
would be beneficial and cost-effective
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how lack of this treatment can be
detrimental to your child's health and
expensive and publish studies supporting
your appeal make dated copies of your
letter to keep and send out
track of when you sent out the letter
and when you should expect to receive a
response and above all be patient and
persistent and don't give up so let's
talk a little bit about insurance laws
state by state we cannot possibly cover
all state regulations in this
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presentation but we want to plant the
seed and arm you with the right tools
and knowledge to find out what your
rights are in terms of insurance
coverage in your state so first you want
to check with your state department of
health and human services to find out
your insurance rights in your state
there might be state mandates for
coverage of minors or autism coverage
that you need to know about so remember
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first those self-funded plans that did
not have to adhere to these state
mandates they only have to adhere to
federal ones here's an example of a
state mandate we just plucked South
Carolina but if you have a self-funded
plan they don't have to follow these
rules so in South Carolina they require
a health insurance plan to provide
coverage for the treatment of autism
spectrum disorder to be eligible for
benefits and coverage the individual
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must be diagnosed with asd at age eight
or younger the benefits and coverage
provided must be provided to any
eligible person under 16 years of age
note speech language services are not
specifically designed defined in the
statute coverage is limited to treatment
that is prescribed by the insured's
treating medical doctor in accordance
with a treatment plan and although
behavioral therapy is not specifically
defined the statute does set out a cap
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of 50 thousand dollars a year for
coverage of behavior therapy so again
this is different in every state you
need to check and see what do they
demand in your state for your coverage
will briefly talk about HSA versus FSA
and some of you may have a health
savings account or a flexible
spending account both our accounts with
debit cards that they can be used to pay
medical bills and expenses both take
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funds from your paycheck pre-tax there's
a lot more to be said about HSA and FSA
but for the purposes of this
presentation we're only going to touch
on them briefly please talk to your HR
manager about your options at your
company if you are interested in
learning more so HSA typically available
on high deductible plans funds roll over
every year annual contribution limits
apply can be used for any medical
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expense a flexible spending account also
only available on high premium low
deductible plans funds do not roll over
if you do not use them they are lost
annual limits apply and are much lower
than an HSA and can be used for any
medical expense also you know just ask
your HR manager about your options where
you are the following are some helpful
questions to ask your provider prior to
your visit make a note of the date and
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the name of the person that you speak
with and remember if you're covered by
insurance and you're out of network
expenses may be higher therefore it's
important to ask if payment plans or
grants are available from your clinic
oftentimes they have those in place and
you just need to ask so 10 questions
that we hear about and to ask your
healthcare provider do you participate
in my plans Network do you have an
insurance coordinator or other staff
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member who can assist me will you file
claim forms for out-of-network services
on my behalf so I don't have to do it
well your office check with my insurance
plan to confirm if preauthorization is
needed for the service that I want can
you tell me which procedure codes you
will likely submit for the services I
receive so those are good questions can
you provide me with your practitioners
and
yah number will I be required to provide
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proof of insurance before scheduling an
appointment do you offer payment plans
discounts or grant opportunities for
services can we use our FSA or HSA card
to cover the expenses and 10 what labs
or tests may be ordered for my visit and
will they be covered by my plan and even
if you are at the clinic and labs are
suggested you can step away get on the
phone call your insurance and say hey I
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need to do this diabetes test is this
test covered and before you actually get
the labs done your HR department can be
a wealth of information so before
sitting on hold with your insurance
company with your worksheet out to fill
in the blanks check with your HR
department as they may be able to answer
many of your coverage questions so here
are some questions for your HR
department do you have a list of
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in-network primary care providers do you
have a list of referrals for specialty
care providers am i required to stay in
network to receive coverage or as out of
network coverage included will this
office assist me in submitting
out-of-network claims when is open
enrollment and at what point can i make
changes to my current insurance plan so
thank you for participating in our
insurance webinar be sure to visit our
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website WWJ in center org for more
resources and information there's the
address to print out those insurance
call worksheets that you'll want to use
before and getting on the phone with
your insurance company we also have
references listed all the places that we
have gleaned information on this
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it ok so thank you again and I'm sorry
that we don't have time to take any
questions this will be posted on our
Johnson Center YouTube channel so you
can go to youtube and search for johnson
center for this presentation thank you